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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Macbeth, Arden 2nd series, ed. Kenneth Muir</title>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Oxfords are a nice compromise between the Arden and something more mass market like the Folger. I used the Barnes and Noble Shakespeare last semester. They have a bit more information than the Folger, but aren't as historically thorough as the Arden or Oxford. The Arden third series is much improved (in my opinion) from the second series. Now I teach with the Norton because this year they split the complete into two paperback editions comprising the early plays and the later plays. But I'm not crazy about the glosses in the Norton. Other mass markets like Penguin and Signet are fine, but their glosses are often not enough for my students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Oxfords are a nice compromise between the Arden and something more mass market like the Folger. I used the Barnes and Noble Shakespeare last semester. They have a bit more information than the Folger, but aren&#8217;t as historically thorough as the Arden or Oxford. The Arden third series is much improved (in my opinion) from the second series. Now I teach with the Norton because this year they split the complete into two paperback editions comprising the early plays and the later plays. But I&#8217;m not crazy about the glosses in the Norton. Other mass markets like Penguin and Signet are fine, but their glosses are often not enough for my students.</p>
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		<title>By: girldetective</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we can see some common ground and kindred spirits here in the comments: Macbeth and its adaptations, and Buffy, Angel, OC, etc.

I loved Scotland, PA! Such a clever, well-done movie. I will give Throne of Blood another try, when I'm feeling more awake. And my edition said that Judi Dench was one of only two actresses who really "got" Lady Macbeth--the other was Mrs. Siddons. 

Steph, I've done some research into editions. Based on the recommendation of my erudite English friend Thalia, I favor the Ardens, though they often have way more info than I need about the minutiae of the plays. And G. Grod has had some problems with their typeface. The new Folger series is very accessible, portable in the MMPB form, and seems to have improved its content. I've also heard the Oxford World's Classics are good. 

As for omnibus editions, the Riverview edition is highly regarded. My husband likes his Penguin--it's straightforward and easy to read, and if he needs more notes, he consults individual copies, like our Ardens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can see some common ground and kindred spirits here in the comments: Macbeth and its adaptations, and Buffy, Angel, OC, etc.</p>
<p>I loved Scotland, PA! Such a clever, well-done movie. I will give Throne of Blood another try, when I&#8217;m feeling more awake. And my edition said that Judi Dench was one of only two actresses who really &#8220;got&#8221; Lady Macbeth&#8211;the other was Mrs. Siddons. </p>
<p>Steph, I&#8217;ve done some research into editions. Based on the recommendation of my erudite English friend Thalia, I favor the Ardens, though they often have way more info than I need about the minutiae of the plays. And G. Grod has had some problems with their typeface. The new Folger series is very accessible, portable in the MMPB form, and seems to have improved its content. I&#8217;ve also heard the Oxford World&#8217;s Classics are good. </p>
<p>As for omnibus editions, the Riverview edition is highly regarded. My husband likes his Penguin&#8211;it&#8217;s straightforward and easy to read, and if he needs more notes, he consults individual copies, like our Ardens.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must must watch "Scotland, PA." As a Shakespeare adaptation fan, myself, it is by far my favorite film version of "Macbeth" and possibly my favorite Shakespeare adaptation period. I show scenes from the Trevor Nunn (McKellen/Dench) version along with "Throne of Blood" and "Scotland, PA" to my students every semester after reading "Macbeth."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must must watch &#8220;Scotland, PA.&#8221; As a Shakespeare adaptation fan, myself, it is by far my favorite film version of &#8220;Macbeth&#8221; and possibly my favorite Shakespeare adaptation period. I show scenes from the Trevor Nunn (McKellen/Dench) version along with &#8220;Throne of Blood&#8221; and &#8220;Scotland, PA&#8221; to my students every semester after reading &#8220;Macbeth.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Fate Fortuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fate Fortuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there's Buffy season 2, there's The OC season 1, there's Angel season 1... the entire series of Firefly... and quite possibly one of the House seasons but I can't decide which one.

My best experience with Macbeth was an old movie/filmed play, starring Ian McKellen and Judi Dench when they were younger. There weren't very many actors and it was all done in a kind of monochrome grey, with the stage all filled with fog. It had me terrified and completely mesmerized for about three hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there&#8217;s Buffy season 2, there&#8217;s The OC season 1, there&#8217;s Angel season 1&#8230; the entire series of Firefly&#8230; and quite possibly one of the House seasons but I can&#8217;t decide which one.</p>
<p>My best experience with Macbeth was an old movie/filmed play, starring Ian McKellen and Judi Dench when they were younger. There weren&#8217;t very many actors and it was all done in a kind of monochrome grey, with the stage all filled with fog. It had me terrified and completely mesmerized for about three hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to be fair, you were the one who first brought Buffy into it! ;)

I consider Buffy to be one of my all time favorite shows, but be that as it may, I find most of it post-season 5 very difficult to watch.  The show clearly peaks in Season 2 &#38; 3, and then spirals downward from thereon out.  Season 7 is fairly terrible given how fast and loose it plays with the rules of the universe and, I find many of the themes in both it and Season 6 fairly questionable and somewhat antithetical to the messages of earlier seasons... but I blame the loss of vision here on Marti Noxon rather than Espenson.  Also, despite the fact that Buffy could be considered a "dramedy", Espenson is clearly a comedic writer.  Not having seen Battlestar Galactica, I can't say whether it lends itself to jokes and the like, but that is certainly her milieu.  (I would also like to state for the record that I'm not a Jane Espenson apologist!  She's written several very good and fun episodes of Buffy, but she has written some pretty terrible ones as well.  But you know, even Joss Whedon does not have the Midas Touch - he did pen "Some Assembly Required" after all!  Hmmm... maybe I am a bit of an apologist after all... ;) ).

Macbeth-related, I studied the play in Grade 11 English, but we only spent about two weeks on it at the end of the year.  Still, I always dug the themes of predestination (is it or is it not?) that it deals with, which I think would have resonated quite strongly with the Bard's audience given views on religion at the time.  One of my literary dreams is to get the complete works of Shakespeare in my library and to work my way through his entire oeuvre.  Unfortunately, I can't stand the "complete works" omnibus volumes, as I find them essentially unreadable and far too unwieldy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be fair, you were the one who first brought Buffy into it! <img src='http://www.girldetective.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I consider Buffy to be one of my all time favorite shows, but be that as it may, I find most of it post-season 5 very difficult to watch.  The show clearly peaks in Season 2 &amp; 3, and then spirals downward from thereon out.  Season 7 is fairly terrible given how fast and loose it plays with the rules of the universe and, I find many of the themes in both it and Season 6 fairly questionable and somewhat antithetical to the messages of earlier seasons&#8230; but I blame the loss of vision here on Marti Noxon rather than Espenson.  Also, despite the fact that Buffy could be considered a &#8220;dramedy&#8221;, Espenson is clearly a comedic writer.  Not having seen Battlestar Galactica, I can&#8217;t say whether it lends itself to jokes and the like, but that is certainly her milieu.  (I would also like to state for the record that I&#8217;m not a Jane Espenson apologist!  She&#8217;s written several very good and fun episodes of Buffy, but she has written some pretty terrible ones as well.  But you know, even Joss Whedon does not have the Midas Touch - he did pen &#8220;Some Assembly Required&#8221; after all!  Hmmm&#8230; maybe I am a bit of an apologist after all&#8230; <img src='http://www.girldetective.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
<p>Macbeth-related, I studied the play in Grade 11 English, but we only spent about two weeks on it at the end of the year.  Still, I always dug the themes of predestination (is it or is it not?) that it deals with, which I think would have resonated quite strongly with the Bard&#8217;s audience given views on religion at the time.  One of my literary dreams is to get the complete works of Shakespeare in my library and to work my way through his entire oeuvre.  Unfortunately, I can&#8217;t stand the &#8220;complete works&#8221; omnibus volumes, as I find them essentially unreadable and far too unwieldy.</p>
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		<title>By: girldetective</title>
		<link>http://www.girldetective.net/?p=1690&cpage=1#comment-15019</link>
		<dc:creator>girldetective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. I'm not sure what it says about the level of discourse of this blog that the post is about Macbeth, and the discussion is about Buffy. I'm glad to see you're both fans of season 3, as we'll watch it when we get through S2. We bought it when it came out; it's still wrapped in plastic.

No need to apologize for OC; when that show was on it was great fun. I've not liked Espenson's episodes of Battlestar Galactica, though, and I didn't like S7 of Buffy, many of which were written by her, I think.

I saw the actor who played Lady Macduff at my grocery coop tonight. It is a strange small world here in the Twin Cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. I&#8217;m not sure what it says about the level of discourse of this blog that the post is about Macbeth, and the discussion is about Buffy. I&#8217;m glad to see you&#8217;re both fans of season 3, as we&#8217;ll watch it when we get through S2. We bought it when it came out; it&#8217;s still wrapped in plastic.</p>
<p>No need to apologize for OC; when that show was on it was great fun. I&#8217;ve not liked Espenson&#8217;s episodes of Battlestar Galactica, though, and I didn&#8217;t like S7 of Buffy, many of which were written by her, I think.</p>
<p>I saw the actor who played Lady Macduff at my grocery coop tonight. It is a strange small world here in the Twin Cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buffy Season 2 is certainly up there as a strong contender for best season of television, although I am not 100% convinced that within the series of BtVS it is actually the best season.  It has some truly standout episodes (Surprise/Innocence, Passion, Becoming Parts I &#38; II), but it also has some pretty terrible ones as well (Go Fish, &#38; Some Assembly Required, for example).  I might actually say that overall, Season 3 is a stronger season.  I wouldn't stake my life on it (ha!), but for me it kind of changes daily whether I prefer S2 or S3 more.
 
But other great single seasons of tv (even if after that things went to pot):
Felicity Season 1 (I actually don't think there is a single bad episode in this first season)
Gilmore Girls Season 1 
and even if it's a bit embarrassing to admit:
The O.C. Season 1 (I freely confess that I loved the third episode of the season entitled "The Gamble"... interestingly, it was written by Buffy writer alumna, Jane Espenson)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buffy Season 2 is certainly up there as a strong contender for best season of television, although I am not 100% convinced that within the series of BtVS it is actually the best season.  It has some truly standout episodes (Surprise/Innocence, Passion, Becoming Parts I &amp; II), but it also has some pretty terrible ones as well (Go Fish, &amp; Some Assembly Required, for example).  I might actually say that overall, Season 3 is a stronger season.  I wouldn&#8217;t stake my life on it (ha!), but for me it kind of changes daily whether I prefer S2 or S3 more.</p>
<p>But other great single seasons of tv (even if after that things went to pot):<br />
Felicity Season 1 (I actually don&#8217;t think there is a single bad episode in this first season)<br />
Gilmore Girls Season 1<br />
and even if it&#8217;s a bit embarrassing to admit:<br />
The O.C. Season 1 (I freely confess that I loved the third episode of the season entitled &#8220;The Gamble&#8221;&#8230; interestingly, it was written by Buffy writer alumna, Jane Espenson)</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: season 2 of BTVS. Quite possibly. Although I also really, really liked season 3. And I wish the rest of season 6 had lived up to the musical episode. However, are we including some of the pay-cable channels in this comparison? Because I'd have to stick up for most of the Sopranos as well as season 1 of Dexter too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: season 2 of BTVS. Quite possibly. Although I also really, really liked season 3. And I wish the rest of season 6 had lived up to the musical episode. However, are we including some of the pay-cable channels in this comparison? Because I&#8217;d have to stick up for most of the Sopranos as well as season 1 of Dexter too.</p>
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